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11 Sep 2021, 23:46

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Early Armenian attempts at independence were nothing short of comical
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11 Sep 2021, 23:08

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Forward from: Race Borz
>the architect of Imperial Germany's Orientalist policy was a Jewish banker

For the jokes I made earlier I might've predicted this
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11 Sep 2021, 23:08

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Someone should have told the Imperial Germans that it's Impossible to have strategic alliances with brown people and Muslims because that's just cucking to brown people. Can't wait to find out that Imperial Germany was also a Duginist construct

(Source is The Fall of the Ottomans by Eugene Rogan)
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11 Sep 2021, 23:07

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Finished Useful Enemies. Back on the Fall of the Ottomans by Eugene Rogan
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10 Sep 2021, 19:35

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I am once again reminding you buttzoi that no one is reading all that
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10 Sep 2021, 19:09

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The religious diversity of the Ottoman Empire also produced the vague and tepid "just be a good person" theology that has now infected the West
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10 Sep 2021, 19:04

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God I hate this gay empire so much
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10 Sep 2021, 15:56

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This is why I have been extremely suspicious of the origins of Calvinism, though I have proof of nothing. All I have is that its rise and development correlates with proto-Zionist tendencies developing in Christianity and the impact it had on countries like the Netherlands, who had a large Sephardic Jewish presence, and the Puritans of the English Commonwealth calling themselves the Sanhedrin and admitting the Jews back into England.

You don't really see these currents about the necessity for the Jews to reassemble in Palestine until the 17th century which tracks with the calcification of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of Calvinism.

That 20th century Scofield Bible Zionism follows a similar pattern of the kind of prophecies that justified getting the Jews back into Palestine is deeply suspicious to me but admittedly I have no smoking guns, just historical coincidences
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10 Sep 2021, 06:15

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How the private secretary described the state of the Ottoman empire in 1666, which was seen as in great decline and was 17 years before their defeat at Vienna which marked the last time the Ottomans would ever be able to make any further incursions in Europe, beginning their long road toward fragmentation and collapse:

‘degenerate, soft, and effeminate’

The Janissaries move toward marrying also indicated this was no longer an elite, martial class but one that was focused on bureaucratic privileges and sinecures secured for nepotism.
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10 Sep 2021, 05:58

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By the 17th century rot was already beginning to permeate the Ottoman system. Non-elite Muslims had begun to bribe their way into the Janissary class, which was never supposed to be for Muslims. Its purpose had always been to alienate and dispossess the Christian European children from what had been the majority population ruled over by elite minority, and make those children fanatically loyal to the sultan and his dictates.

The non-elite Muslims who bribed their way in saw how corrupt, undisciplined, and alienating the Ottoman system was, even to Muslim populations, through their own experience in the Janissary system, which helped pave the way for its long decline and soul-searching among Turks who would be on their own once it came apart.

In the 19th century this would result in pan-Turkic schemes and a Civic Nationalism called Ottomanism, though after WWI they would have to settle for Kemalism, a modern secular nationalism even many of them didn't like.

A lot of lessons here if you watch carefully.
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10 Sep 2021, 02:01

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I wonder how Thomas Ligotti feels about still being alive
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9 Sep 2021, 22:10

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9 Sep 2021, 22:09

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I've been reading alongside the audio book and I got the reader Michael Page mixed up with the author Noel Malcolm
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9 Sep 2021, 22:07

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For those who want to follow along the main book I'm going through right now is Useful Enemies by Noel Malcolm

I'm on Chapter 9: Despotism
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9 Sep 2021, 22:06

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This channel will be for keeping my book posts in one place for easier reference and for people who don't want to follow my main channel because of the other nonsense I post there.

I'll still be forwarding them to the main channel but this archive makes it easier for me to backtrack
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9 Sep 2021, 22:05

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The Dominican Friar and philosopher Campanella recommended that in order to defeat an empire like the Ottomans that one should encourage its people to engage in pointless and petty theological and philosophical disputes with each other because "bookishness weakens a people" and to weaken their moral fiber with vices like gambling.

Interestingly for Europeans he proposed banning studying Hebrew and Greek in order to stop them from fighting each other and for them to learn Arabic so that they would be focused completely on destroying the Ottomans

Much to consider
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9 Sep 2021, 22:05

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What lesson did 16th century Europeans take from the success and structure of the Ottoman Empire?

That one should send the men of fighting age from the subject people to fight in foreign wars, and that the subject population must be disarmed, humiliated and debased, made to move around, and impoverished by taxation.

"Mutual distrust should be stirred up among them by secret agents; their prominent families should be prevented from intermarrying; and their leaders should be disinherited or transported. All gatherings should also be forbidden: after all, did not the Sultan prohibit the ringing of church bells throughout his dominions?"

Do you get it yet? Why I talk about the Ottoman Empire?
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9 Sep 2021, 22:05

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The way European writers who studied the Ottomans write about them sounds just like the way American and Jewish conservatives conceptualize the United States.

Source is Useful Enemies by Michael Page
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9 Sep 2021, 22:05

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Useful Enemies by Noel Malcolm
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9 Sep 2021, 22:02

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This story according to Alan Mikhail is likely "fictionalized" and "apocryphal"

The same metric of course can't be applied to WWII
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