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Mussolini and Adolf Hitler

Upon his visit to Germany in September of 1937, Il Duce Benito Mussolini gave a speech addressing the German people in German about the genuine friendship between himself and their Führer, Adolf Hitler. Mussolini emphasized how the Fascist ethic reflected his own personal morality and that neither he nor the Italian people would ever forget that when 52 states in the world enacted sanctions against Italy, Germany was one of the few countries that refused to do so.

“Fascism has its ethics to which it intends to stay faithful. Speak clearly and openly, and if one has a friend, march with him together until the end.”

-Benito Mussolini


More on the Unreliability of “Talks with Mussolini”

Mussolini was interviewed on dozens of occasions ov
er the course of his long career by both foreign and Italian journalists. Many of these interviews were published or re-published in his official newspaper Il Popolo d'Italia.

The infamous “Talks with Mussolini” with Emil Ludwig, however, never appeared in the Duce's newspaper and was never publicly acknowledged by Mussolini, as Emil Ludwig did not faithfully transcribe the words of Mussolini. Instead, the Jewish journalist altered many of the Duce's words, falsified entire passages and inserted many of his own anti-Fascist opinions into the book. The Duce attempted to prevent the publication of the work, but he was unable to stop it. In 1932 an Italian edition of the book was published by Mondadori under the title “Colloqui con Mussolini.”

The book and its author was ultimately banned by the Fascist government. According to Fascist secretary Gaetano Polverelli, the Head of the Press Office, Mussolini was very angered and appalled by the book, he ordered to cease its printing immediately. In March, April and June 1932 the Press Office three times warned Italian newspapers to ignore Ludwig's book.

With the exception of the Fascist journal L'Impero, which published an article on June 18, 1932 attacking Ludwig and Mondadori as profiteers, the Italian Fascist press remained silent on the matter, so as not to bring any unnecessary attention to Ludwig's fraudulent work.

After some months, the printing eventually came to a halt; thus the book remained virtually unknown in Italy until after the war, when the same Mondadori republished the book in 1950.

However, the book was widely-diffused in the English-speaking world and in Germany, and members of the NSDAP became quite vocal; National Socialist journalists promptly responded and published several articles exposing book as a hoax. The most important was an article entitled Das Mussolini-Geschäft des Emil Ludwig Cohn, published in Nationalsozialistischen Korrespondenz by the Roman correspondent Friedrich C. Willis. Writing under the the pseudonym Georg Heinzmann, he proclaimed "This is not our Mussolini!" (“Dies ist nicht unser Mussolini“).

Despite being exposed as a hoax and banned some eighty years ago, the book still continues to circulate today as if it were authentic.

For a more accurate look of Mussolini’s sentiments, look no further than here, here, here, here, here, here, and here


The Unreliability of “Talks with Mussolini”

When discussing the racial views of Benito Mussolini, people often site “Talks with Mussolini” a book published by Emil Ludwig, in order to push the idea that Mussolini didn’t believe in race, or that he was even philo-semitic. This book is the origin of the infamous and widely quoted supposed statement from Mussolini “Race is a feeling not a reality, 95% at least is a feeling”

However, there are several amounts of scholarly works that question the authenticity of these “talks”
that record these alleged conversations that were held in Palazzo di Venezia in Rome, being held almost daily for an hour at a time between March 23 and April 4, 1932.

1. "Fascist Voices: An Intimate History of Mussolini's Italy" by Christopher Duggan: Although not solely focused on "Talks with Mussolini," Duggan discusses the challenges and limitations of relying on published conversations. He raises doubts about the authenticity and accuracy of the book in reconstructing Mussolini's discussions and views.

2. "Mussolini" by Denis Mack Smith: In this comprehensive biography of Benito Mussolini, Mack Smith examines various aspects of Mussolini's life and rule. While not exclusively targeting "Talks with Mussolini," Mack Smith critically evaluates the reliability of published conversations in general, including those attributed to Mussolini.

3. "The Bad Popes" by E.R. Chamberlin: Although primarily focused on the papacy, Chamberlin briefly discusses and questions the authenticity of "Talks with Mussolini" in relation to other historical conversations. He raises doubts about the accuracy of the book's contents.

4. "War in Italy 1943-1945" by Richard Lamb: While this book primarily covers the military aspects of the Italian campaign during World War II, Lamb discusses the challenges of reconstructing historical conversations. He questions the veracity of the conversations presented in "Talks with Mussolini."

5. "Mussolini Unleashed, 1939-1941: Politics and Strategy in Fascist Italy's Last War" by MacGregor Knox: In this book, Knox questions the authenticity of "Talks with Mussolini" and highlights the lack of verifiable sources and evidence supporting its claims.

6. "Mussolini and Fascist Italy" by Martin Blinkhorn: Blinkhorn discusses the limitations of "Talks with Mussolini" as a historical source and emphasizes the need for caution when using it to understand Mussolini's thoughts and actions.

7. "Benito Mussolini: A Biography" by Richard J. B. Bosworth: Bosworth critically examines various sources, including "Talks with Mussolini," and raises doubts about their reliability. He highlights the challenges of reconstructing accurate conversations and emphasizes the need to corroborate information from multiple sources.

8. "A History of Fascism, 1914-1945" by Stanley Payne: Payne discusses the limitations of "Talks with Mussolini" and emphasizes the importance of using multiple sources to gain a comprehensive understanding of Mussolini and fascism.

For the reasons above, it is clear that these “talks” are not reliable enough to use as a primary source on the true beliefs of Benito Mussolini on race and antisemitism. In order to get a more accurate look of Mussolini’s views on these topics, it is best to take a comprehensive look at the views expressed by Mussolini himself over several years. For some examples, look no further than here, here, here, here, here, here, and here


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Benito Mussolini — Fascism and National Socialism

Upon his visit to Germany in September of 1937, the Duce of Italy, Benito Mussolini, gave a speech addressing the German people in German about the genuine friendship between himself and their Führer, Adolf Hitler. Mussolini emphasized how the Fascist ethic reflected his own personal morality and that neither he nor the Italian people would ever forget that when 52 states in the world enacted sanctions against Italy, Germany was one of the few countries that refused to do so. Mussolini proves his sincerity by calling Hitler his friend and promising to march with him towards the very end.

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The Italian Racial Laws and the War in Ethiopia

As the invasion of Ethiopia neared, Mussolini became obsessed with an anxiety over instances of miscegenation between Italians and Africans, producing mixed-race children. Such instances, though still rare, already occurred in the Italian colonies of Eritrea and Somalia. Mussolini’s state of mind was revealed to Baron Pompeo Aloisi, who when he called on the Duce on April 2, 1934, found him “very upset” by his discovery of a book, Amore Nero (Black Love), that dealt with a love affair between an Italian and a black woman. Mussolini had the book immediately withdrawn from circulation. On August 5, 1936, only several months after the conquest of Ethiopia, a decree was issued outlining the system of racial separation that would now char- acterize Italian East Africa. Beginning with the fundamental provision that “the lives of whites and blacks should be completely separate in Italian East Africa,” it went on to specify the details of this program: “gradual separation of the habi- tations of nationals and indigents”; “avoidance of all familiarity between the two races”; segregation of public space; and the end of “madamismo” (concubines) and “sciarmuttismo” (biracial children). The police were instructed to enforce these provisions with “extreme rigor,” and anyone who was so bold as to live with or act married to a native would be deported. Until the anticipated arrival of Italian women in Africa created the conditions appropriate for proper family life, brothels staffed by Italian prostitutes were set up for the Italian soldiers. Not surprisingly, natives were absolutely forbidden to patronize them.


"No true Italian, whatever his political faith, should despair of the future. The resources of our people are immense. If we are able to find a common ground, we will regain our strength before any victor. For this common ground, I would give my life even now, willingly, so long as it is truly marked with real Italian spirit. After defeat, I will be furiously covered by spit, but later I will be cleansed with veneration. Then I will smile, because my people will be at peace with themselves.”

-Benito Mussolini, The Last Testament, 1945

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Mussolini made his intention to initiate eugenics policies apparent even before he entered the government. At a Fascist Congress in Rome held in November 1921, he announced: “Fascism must concern itself with the racial problem; Fascists must concern themselves with the health of the race by which history is made.” Little was done initially to realize these goals, since Mussolini spent his first years in office largely preoccupied with setting up a dictatorship. After this task was largely completed, in 1925, he devoted more attention to accomplishing Fascism’s long-term objectives, including the remaking of the Italian people.


Anti-racist “fascists” will often claim that Mussolini was against biological racism, that he had no concern for race. They will even claim that Italian racism and antisemitism was simply imported from the Germans in an attempt to please Hitler. None of these claims could be further from the truth, let’s see what Mussolini has to say on the subject:

“A Jewish problem exists, and it is no longer confined to that shadowy sphere.”
-Benito Mussolini, The Zionists, 1928

“I have been a racist since 1921. I don't know how they can think I'm imitating Hitler, we must give Italians a sense of race.” 
-Benito Mussolini, Claretta Petacci’s Diary

“However, for Italy - as well as for other countries inhabited by people of the White race - it is a matter of life or death. It is a matter of knowing whether the civilization of the white man is destined to perish in the face of the growing number of yellow and black races.”
-Benito Mussolini, Is The White Race Dying? 1934

“In addition, a system of apartheid was introduced involving segregation in public places and an April 1937 law made sexual relations between whites and blacks a crime punishable by up to five years in prison. A popular Fascist song was ‘Faccetta nera’ (Little Black Face) about a slave girl freed by Italian soldiers so she can go to Rome and wear a black shirt. Eventually, Mussolini banned the song and ordered Badoglio to punish Italian soldiers guilty of “sexual relations with native girls."
-Nicholas Farrel, Mussolini: A New Life

“We Fascists acknowledge the existence of races, their differences and their hierarchy. But this does not mean that we present ourselves to the world as the embodiment of the White race in a war against other races; and we do not intend to make ourselves the preachers of exclusivism and racial hatred.”
-Benito Mussolini, The Irrefutable Fact, 1935

“The forerunner and justifier of anti-semitism is always and everywhere the same: the Jew, whenever he becomes overbearing, as he so often does.” 
-Benito Mussolini, Too Much Is Crippling, 1936

“We then ask the Italian Jews: are you a religion or are you a nation? This question is not intended to give rise to anti-Semitic riots, but merely to bring to light a problem which I know exists, and which is useless to further ignore.”
-Benito Mussolini, Religion or Nation? 1928

“We cannot remain deaf to the struggle for Fiume, we deeply feel the living nature of the ties that bind us not only with the Italians of Zara, Ragusa, Cattaro, but also with the Italians of Ticino, even with those Italians that do not wish to be Italian – with the Italians of Corsica, Italians living across the ocean, with that huge family that we wish to unite under the aegis of common racial pride.”
-Benito Mussolini, First Fascist Congress, Milan March 23, 1919

“The genius of a race reborn, of Latin tradition, unchangingly active in our thousands of years old history, a return to the Roman and simultaneously Christian idea of state, a synthesis of the great past with a radiant future.”
-The Fascist Decalogue, 1938



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