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If you are reading this scheduled message, means we are now representing Telegram in paradise, but still here too. We will share a message we wrote almost 1 year ago, that we never changed in the last time. We released tons of updated messages to our family. It's their decision if they want to share worldwide such messages or not. Our new update are our channels!

No matter what, we will continue to fight for facts, human / animal and planet rights where we are now.

For us the most important thing you need to do is to treat the world in proper way @MeteoTelegram @ClimateChangeTelegram and act rationally @DieWelleTelegram with facts @FactsTelegramChannels

It's time that this planet get a revolution @LawsTelegram @HumanRightsChecklist @EthicalDilemmaHumanRights @MissionPlaneta because we ignored too many things for too much time and our planet is just full of missing rights and discrimination! But there is a good news! We can improve!

We already know that no one can replace what we did, in the same way, but at the end such decision was done by evaluating multiple factors.

Again, treat the planet in proper way, because we are @WinterFreaks and @AnimalFreaks and this is our planet!

Ciao ciao from WomenRightsTelegram and all our 100+ brands we launched in the last 10+ years in 10+ languages about tons of topics.

If such project will continue or not, it's a decision of our family. At least for 1 year they should work, where we are not posting things manually.

You can find such message on @GoodbyeMessage
https://perma.cc/3U2W-68W2

It's time to love our planet. It's time for a worldwide revolution!

For your planet. For YOUR future!

Let we go back to crimes we support and our laws / politicians or whatever need to have much more respect on that
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist/255

Like said previously, we disagree at all with people doing correlations! using bullshit stats / manipulated / 10% of the informations or whatever!
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/140
https://t.me/StandForScience

Now, let we check which crimes we need to respect more!

First crime, you should already know ...

a) RAPE! Rape should get much more respect than what is happening now!

We talk about child or women rape, but we forget that animals and men get raped too! NO DIFFERENCE! Same sentence if you rape a women or an animal!
https://t.me/SuicideRape/4
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/118
https://t.me/RecidivismFacts/203

b) like said, all people bullying / discriminating / being the cause of suicide or whatever need to get sentenced properly!
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/45
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist/116
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/165

0 deaths during a terror attack? Same sentence like if you kill 100!
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/140

c) Implement theriocide and ecocide properly!
https://t.me/Theriocide
https://t.me/StopEcocideTelegram
https://t.me/EcocideTelegram

and start to sentence all mafious people once at all!
https://t.me/GovernmentInPrison
https://t.me/InPrisonNOW/7
https://t.me/BauernprotestRealitat/47

We don't want MAFIA IN POLITICS AND GOVERNMENTS! and we don't want innocent in prison too!
https://t.me/ShittyDeathSentences/178

d) it's time to sentence crimes on internet / social network or that are the source of terrorism / criminality / propaganda or whatever!

We want that police start to track internet once at all!
https://t.me/DefenceTelegram/1743
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/168

and it's time to make a difference between the privacy of criminals and privacy of innocents!

Again, social network need to respect laws! and if there are "bad trends" or "bad influencers" they should be banned and sentenced!
https://t.me/SocialNetworkFacts

Silvia and human rights in Italy!

Let we make a small refresh!
https://t.me/SilviaSardoneTelegram/25

by excluding now the topic climate change / Islam discrimination and other bullshit ...

a) Italy laws are shit! and need to be improved

b) Italy law related to abortion, euthanasia and similar things is a disaster! but yes ... come to Switzerland when you need that! by remembering that even in Switzerland such laws are shit! and years aways from 🇳🇱!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/43
and this doesn't mean 🇳🇱 has perfect laws too!

but yes, talk about "suicide of Europe" while you ignore what is happening in Italy related to suicide! even rape suicide
https://t.me/SuicideRape/4

So again, start to implement indirect homicide for being the cause of deaths! Start to improve your laws related to crimes, no matter if terrorism, rape, animals or whatever! IMPROVE ONCE AT ALL!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist
https://t.me/MissionPlaneta
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights

c) she is talking a lot about 🧕 BUT SHE IS FORGETTING THAT RONDO IS THE FIRST CRIMINAL WEARING 🧕! and doing crimes!
https://t.me/LawsTelegram/116

So let we put all criminal rappers in prison ...
https://t.me/RondodasosaTelegram

Remember, COVERING THE FACE IS A CRIME, no matter who is doing that, no matter the religion!
https://t.me/HamasTerroristTelegram/72
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/64
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/65
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/112

and Rondo is not just doing that!

Just some examples of things she is ignoring ... and ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN 🧕 BULLSHIT!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/189

So again, less bullshit and corrupted politicians in 🇪🇺
https://t.me/StandForScience
https://t.me/BauernprotestRealitat/47

WomenRightsTelegram doesn't stand for ignorance / religion bullshit and bullshit activists Part 4

So like said in part 1
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1173
we don't support religion crimes! but with support religion freedom!

In part 2
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1174
we talked about bullshit activists and that laws need to be respected for serious crimes done by them. Like we stand for no discrimination.

In part 3
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1175
about vandalism, crimes done to activists, utopia and no sense activism

We don't support terrorist activists at all! and like said previously, if we get another Marco Camenisch, we would apply life sentence without parole / death penalty for killing people and committing serious crimes!
https://t.me/PrisonBreakFacts/50
to
https://t.me/PrisonBreakFacts/84

What we don't support too? IGNORANCE OF NOT ACTIVISTS = PEOPLE!
https://t.me/IgnorancePeople
https://t.me/PalestineIgnorance
https://t.me/ClimateToDo
🤜🤜 https://t.me/addlist/Sk-TekVpJhw2MzIx
🤜🤜 (2) https://t.me/addlist/gLPMUCb5s6IwNTMx
🖇🤡 https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx
🖇🤡🇩🇪 https://t.me/addlist/k9KpFJ8y1nJmODQx
🖇🌍 https://t.me/addlist/PnM6poGtTtwwMzcx
ℹ️ https://t.me/JoinShareableChatFolders/16

No matter which topic!

We don't support corruption inside politicians or activists!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/189
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/93
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyIgnorance/211
https://t.me/GovernmentInPrison

In summary? We need to collaborate much more, no matter which country or religion, to avoid ignorance / corruption / fix problems together! Because we are the nationality EARTH!
https://t.me/WarTelegramChannels/22

We really hope people will stop fight against themselve!
https://t.me/WorldWar3Facts/26

Because seriously so we cannot continue! IT'S TIME TO CHANGE!

Every person and country on this planet is not innocent in some ways! We should reflect about what we did and start to improve! Be always positive! because behind everyone there are positive points!

WomenRightsTelegram doesn't stand for ignorance / religion bullshit and bullshit activists Part 3

So like said in part 1
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1173
we don't support religion crimes! but with support religion freedom!

In Part 2
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1174
we talked about bullshit activists and that laws need to be respected for serious crimes done by them. Like we stand for no discrimination.

Like we don't support vandalism!
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/139
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/149

or crimes done to activists! You have no right to cause injuries to activists, even if you are 😡! This is a police problem, not yours! If you act without their permission, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL! and in this case you deserve prison! even if with your action people don't die or get a disability!
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/81
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/82

Again, it's time to put in prison people that are not the cause of deaths too!
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/45
https://t.me/CrimeExamples/118
https://t.me/RussiaJustice/80
this means even related to suicide crimes!
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist/255

We for sure don't support no sense activism!
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/97

and we don't support this idea, all is black or white! we need to go from 100 to 0% in 3 seconds!
https://t.me/VeganFactsTelegram/429
https://t.me/GretaThunbergTelegram/159

Because such things IS JUST UTOPIA! and the life is more complex! There is NOT just such factors, we need to consider all factors, this mean even the topic finance! Does it make sense to have CO2 0 or other similar things, but all countries in bankrupt or whatever? NOPE! So again, the topic finance it's complex! but still not an excuse to don't change at all!

We don't support terrorist activists at all! and like said previously, if we get another Marco Camenisch, we would apply life sentence without parole / death penalty for killing people and committing serious crimes!

See next post

WomenRightsTelegram doesn't stand for ignorance / religion bullshit and bullshit activists Part 2

So like said in part 1
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1173
we don't support religion crimes! but with support religion freedom!

We for sure don't support discrimination! and Breivik!
https://t.me/DiscriminationTelegram
https://t.me/NoBreivikMania
https://t.me/JobDiscrimination
https://t.me/JobsFacts
https://t.me/BlackHumanRights
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights

We don't support all bullshit activists too! We are not activism, we would never protest on the street, so we are scientists!
https://t.me/NatureFreaksFacts/1163
to
https://t.me/NatureFreaksFacts/1165

The problem is NOT being on the street! We find this ok, even if we would never do that, but the fact that many such activists (no matter what they believe) ARE NOT SCIENTISTS and don't promote true infos!

So please, if you are an activist, FIRST STUDY FACTS, THAN GO TO THE STREET!
https://t.me/IgnorancePeople/82
🤜🤜 https://t.me/addlist/Sk-TekVpJhw2MzIx
🤜🤜 (2) https://t.me/addlist/gLPMUCb5s6IwNTMx
🖇🤜 https://t.me/addlist/l6ip-Sstsa8wZDIx
🖇🛡 https://t.me/addlist/pL2yDj4ErKNjNjBh
🖇🤡 https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx
🖇🤡🇩🇪 https://t.me/addlist/k9KpFJ8y1nJmODQx
🖇🌍 https://t.me/addlist/PnM6poGtTtwwMzcx
ℹ️ https://t.me/JoinShareableChatFolders/16

Instead of talking bullshit! Again we mean now in general! Not all activists are bad!
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist/247

Second, remember that doing activism on the street STILL NEED TO RESPECT LAWS! because ok keeping eyes closed for "small crimes" if there is a reason behind such activism! BUT SERIOUS CRIMES ARE NOT OK AT ALL!
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/128
https://t.me/LetzteGenerationTelegram/144

See next post

WomenRightsTelegram doesn't stand for ignorance / religion bullshit and bullshit activists Part 1

We always said that freedom of religion is all ok, if this freedom is not source of crimes!

So everyone can follow any type of religion! what we for sure don't support are:

- that parents IMPOSE kids which religion they need to follow! This is definitely a crime! Since no one can be forced to follow what you follow! Yes, there is option to change later, but is this really so???! It's like changing husband once you get married ... there is a way, but not everyone is doing! and you get still influenced!
https://t.me/ReligionBullshit/157

- we don't support the "i believe in your religion or i follow your religion principes, just because you visit a country!"
https://t.me/ReligionBullshit/158
Sorry but NOPE! If 🇸🇦 come to 🇪🇺, they don't stop their religion and convert to a religion free or ⛪️! Same for other things! You need to have respect for their religion (if crimes are not done), but you DON'T need to follow their religion principes (but still follow their laws ...)

You don't agree with the laws? DON'T VISIT SUCH COUNTRIES! Pretty simply!

- crimes done by religion, no matter which religion, related to human / animal and planet rights! This mean even bombarding people WITH BULLSHIT not scientific informations related to such rights (right to live / die and other things!)
https://t.me/ReligionBullshit
https://t.me/IslamCrime
https://t.me/FreePalestineTelegram
https://t.me/IsraelWarWomenRights

Such rights are MORE important than religion freedom! because it's about more people, not just one people!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights

We don't support all bullshit activists too! We are not activism, we would never protest on the street, so we are scientists!
https://t.me/NatureFreaksFacts/1163
to
https://t.me/NatureFreaksFacts/1165

See next post for more details

For sure WE ARE NOT like all other corrupted organisations that fight for the shit they want! mostly

- innocent prisoners (a)

- criminals (b)

- illegal migrants (c)

- LGBT (d)

- women rights (e)

and similar things
https://t.me/AmnestyShit
https://t.me/IsraelWarWomenRights/1152

All things we are doing too, even if this is not our main focus! because the world is already BOMBARDED with such topics!

by forgetting, that there are NOT just such rights! They never or almost never talk about

- stats / science / facts / real crimes (except if the goal is to promote their bullshit propaganda!
@AmnestyPropaganda)
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/93
🤜🤜 https://t.me/addlist/Sk-TekVpJhw2MzIx
🤜🤜 (2) https://t.me/addlist/gLPMUCb5s6IwNTMx
🖇🛡 https://t.me/addlist/pL2yDj4ErKNjNjBh
🖇🤡 https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

- discrimination against disabled people / poor people / homeless
https://t.me/JobDiscrimination
https://t.me/JobsFacts

- discrimination between normal people and CEOs / politicians / influencers / government people
https://t.me/HumanRightsChecklist/255
https://t.me/GovernmentInPrison
https://t.me/InPrisonNOW
https://t.me/JobDiscrimination

- they talk about women rights (e) but they always forget that even MEN have rights too! and sometimes they just give priority to women! We find such shit inacceptable!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1160

- same for LGBT (d), forgetting that (e) have rights too!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1166

- same for (b) and (c) forgetting that there is NOT just such rights! but we need to respect tons of other rights too!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights
https://t.me/StopRightsAbuseinSwitzerland

- all cool talking about (a), but you need to remember that OUR WORLD IS NOT JUST MADE BY INNOCENTS! start to talk about real criminals!

- they talk about torture and cruelty, ignoring what is happening on this planet!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel
https://t.me/SuicideRape
https://t.me/NeverForgetTelegram

- Animals? Planet? Tabu topics? Neutrality? Science? 🙅‍♂️🤦‍♂️

We clearly stand against ignorance of activists and researchers!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1019
to
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1021

Because yes, even activists and researchers are indifferent! They just fight for what they are interested! giving a shit to other things or other prospectives or rights of other people involved!

We clearly don't stand with death penalty ignorance!
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/93
but in general ignorance about all topics! because this is not just about death penalty!
https://t.me/IgnorancePeople
https://t.me/PalestineIgnorance
https://t.me/LastGenerationFacts
🤜🤜 https://t.me/addlist/Sk-TekVpJhw2MzIx
🤜🤜 (2) https://t.me/addlist/gLPMUCb5s6IwNTMx

Again with stand for the 5 package!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel/92

means in every country we need to start to discuss about 1) @theriocide, 2) assisted suicide (after 10-20 years) and abortion in prison, 3) abortion and 4) assisted suicide outside the prison and 5) death penalty!

Tabu topics no one is talking about! but all such things are human rights of single people, prisoners, population or other people involved!

So we don't stand with ignorance in 🇺🇸 too, where there is death penalty, but no assisted suicide or abortion! This is just a shame!
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/87
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyIgnorance/246

More science / facts / rights and less bullshit!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights
https://t.me/AmnestyFacts
https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

Yes, even related to animals! NEVER FORGET ANIMALS!
🖇🌍 https://t.me/addlist/PnM6poGtTtwwMzcx

Silvia Sardone Part 3
Part 1 https://t.me/DefenceTelegram/1986

You are EXACTLY LIKE AFD! So a Breivik 2.0 100%!
https://t.me/AfDFakten/479
🖇🤡🇩🇪 https://t.me/addlist/k9KpFJ8y1nJmODQx

Do you know what? WE DON'T SUPPORT BREIVIK AT ALL! We talk about him, but we are against him! Except few things, that are even not related to ☪️ ...
https://t.me/NoBreivikMania
https://t.me/BreivikBullshit/89
https://t.me/BreivikBullshit/90

No al velo islamico = No to the Islamic headscarf

We already said that Hijab IS NOT A PROBLEM! and women can do the shit they want!
https://t.me/DiscriminationTelegram/3
https://t.me/DiscriminationTelegram/5
https://t.me/AfDTiere/165

Hijab is not discrimination! We discriminate women even without Hijab!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/1124

and it's still a choice of ☪️ women to wear that or not! Everyone can choice if following something or not! Does your husband not agree? You can search another husband!

This is not the same for Burka!
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/64
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/65
https://t.me/EthicalDilemmaHumanRights/112

About illegal migration we already talked before
https://t.me/StopRightsAbuseinSwitzerland/259

🕌 in 🇪🇺? Well, if there is no Allahail before that is pretty fine! So in the style of 🇨🇭!
Who should pay that? 🇸🇦!
Do we have ⛪️ in 🇸🇦? Yes!

if we remove 🕌 do we fix terrorism? NO! Terrorists come to 🇪🇺 with legal migration
https://t.me/MigrationTelegram/752
and even if we limit legal migration (what we support) WE DON'T FIX TERRORISM!
https://t.me/StopRightsAbuseinSwitzerland

So thinking that foreigners or 🕌 are the problem of our criminality is just bullshit! Yes, foreigners "are more criminal" but this is still not related to everyone!
https://t.me/StopRightsAbuseinSwitzerland/247

Otherwise we could ban migration from America Latina to Europe too!
https://t.me/AfDummheit/16

We stand for multiculturalismo!
https://t.me/DefenceTelegram/1942

Again, limited CONTROLLED migration, not 0 without ☪️!

These findings lend support to evolving practices in many jurisdictions in which child welfare referrals are made in response to animal cruelty complaints and suggest that child maltreatment or domestic violence may be present in many (perhaps even the majority) of these homes.

Yes, child abuse is not just trauma for the kid, but an increase of animal cruelty too!

Commonly cited motivations for the abuse of their pets included anger and revenge, but the majority felt that even these motivations were simply another form of control.

We clearly support death penalty for child rape!
https://t.me/RapeDeathPenalty

Violence to humans is violence to animals!

and we clearly support better rights for animals too!
https://t.me/Theriocide
https://t.me/AnimalRightsTelegram

Our position is pretty clear!

It's time to stop this bullshit about trans women!

Trans women have the right to be trans women!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/186
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/187
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/170
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/166
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/162
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/425
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/388
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/433
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/376
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/160

Trans women HAVE NO 100% RIGHT to have same identical rights of women!

Trans women NEED TO BE BANNED IN WOMEN SPORTS AT ALL, EVERYWHERE!

No empathy for trans women, when they are doing crimes! So we clearly say NO TRANS WOMEN IN SPORT! Punto e basta! and we will NEVER change such mind!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/356
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/188
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/218
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/467

Women Right > Trans Women Right!
Innocent Rights > Criminal Rights!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/159

No matter what, no death penalty or life sentence or similar shit to trans people!
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/482
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/483
https://t.me/WomenRightsTelegram/363

A simplistic way to see things! This is not how things work!

THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT THE DEATH PENALTY! You remove death penalty, such women would get life sentence with 365/365 torture (maybe even rape from guards) until they die!

Death penalty IS NEVER the problem! Would be time people understand that!

Death penalty is not cruel too!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel
if done properly!

The problem here are PEOPLE BEHIND THE DEATH PENALTY! AND LAWS BEHIND DEATH PENALTY!

We need to change people / laws and corruption / mafia!
https://t.me/InPrisonNOW/7
https://t.me/MoscowTerrorAttack/43
https://t.me/MoscowTerrorAttack/33

NOT REMOVE DEATH PENALTY!
Once removed, is huge complex to reimplement that back!
https://t.me/JohnBessler/132
https://t.me/JohnBessler/142

But let we remember there is mafia against death penalty too!
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyIgnorance/211
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyMafia
https://t.me/JohnBessler
https://t.me/CarolynHoyle

Do we need to stop doing surgeries, just because patient are awake and they feel all cruelty done during a surgery?
https://t.me/ShittyDeathExecutions/50

The answer of Amnesty is yes, if they act like with death penalty
https://t.me/AmnestyPropaganda/93

Our answer is nope! WE NEED TO REMOVE IGNORANCE / INDIFFERENCE / MAFIA AND INCOMPETENCE!
https://t.me/DeathSentenceFAQ/387
https://t.me/DeathSentenceFAQ/172
https://t.me/DeathSentenceFAQ/173
https://t.me/ShittyDeathExecutions/49
https://t.me/ShittyDeathExecutions/48
https://t.me/ShittyDeathSentences/178

We stand for Woman, Life, Freedom
https://t.me/MahsaAminiTelegram
BUT WITH DEATH PENALTY ACTIVE! and applied properly!
https://t.me/DeathSentenceNOW
https://t.me/AmnestyExamples
https://t.me/AmnestyFacts
https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

The son of Sibilla Barbieri has MORE BRAIN than all our politicians, Amnesty, John Bessler and other death penalty researchers!
https://t.me/EmpathyTelegram
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyMafia
https://t.me/addlist/mhZg0973N14wMjMx

He lost the dad, dying with tumor.

He lost the mother, after she got assisted suicide in Switzerland and getting refused in Italy ... but he was present ... means the mother did not selfsuicide like in many other cases

What he is saying?

a) Dying is not a beautiful moment, no matter what or who or ...!

b) "He is happy" that the mother died with dignity thanks a not cruel suicide! (a marketing mafia that cost 10k € ...)

c) The father died 10 years ago without knowing how cruel he would die!

d) He is saying that WE UNDEREVALUATE PAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THAT!

But is cool how we OVEREVALUATE the pain during a death penalty! when a death penalty is an assisted suicide! (this said by us)
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel/85

e) He is saying that he has no idea about suffering, because with 25 years you have NO EXPERIENCE with that! (in general ... because in this case he is talking about his story)

This means that you have NO IDEA what killing animals means for animals too!
https://t.me/Theriocide
because you cannot image how they need to live day by day!
https://t.me/AnimalCrueltyFacts
https://t.me/BauernprotestRealitat

f) He is saying "because death is part of the life, we need to accept that"

Yes, and death penalty is part of the justice too! So we need to accept that!

g) I understood it was time my mother should go, when her freedom got refused and she wished that.

h) It's sad that we keep eyes closed in front of many people!

Conclusion: it's time we talk less bullshit about death penalty! and other similar topics! Such things are NOT a tabu! but human rights
https://t.me/DeathPenaltyCruel/92

More human rights and science, less bullshit and ignorance!